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Post by Ducky on May 14, 2008 0:37:49 GMT -5
Why do you keep saying that there is more proof that there is a God. What are some facts? Some fucking book? Hehe, I'll send you some stuff, k? I'll give you some more testimonies and accounts of Jesus. (Even some from people who did not believe in Jesus). But one thing I'll give you kok, believing in God does take some sort of step of faith. Although there are some things to back it up, you can't 100% prove it. IMO creation backups it up and that's why I think it's 100% true. |
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Post by JUICE on May 14, 2008 0:39:07 GMT -5
What if "God" rewards my doubt of his existance with heaven and punishes you for not using the brain he gave you and blindly believing in his existance because of a man made book. I'll be sitting pretty in "Heaven", while your ass will be in hell.
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Post by Andrew on May 14, 2008 0:39:18 GMT -5
Ducky, I'd advise you to be careful with your words. You've displayed that you are completely ignorant with regards to what you consider the Old Testament and the Talmud.
If you want to proclaim your belief in Jesus, fine, but you've put down so many other people's beliefs on either untruths or assumptions you've made, and you should really be careful with that.
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Post by Andrew on May 14, 2008 0:39:29 GMT -5
That was Aaron, btw.
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Post by Rod Blagojevich on May 14, 2008 0:40:07 GMT -5
Why do you keep saying that there is more proof that there is a God. What are some facts? Some fucking book? Hehe, I'll send you some stuff, k? I'll give you some more testimonies and accounts of Jesus. (Even some from people who did not believe in Jesus). One historian, whose work has been proven to be a little bit erroneous. |
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Post by Ducky on May 14, 2008 0:41:37 GMT -5
Ducky, I'd advise you to be careful with your words. You've displayed that you are completely ignorant with regards to what you consider the Old Testament and the Talmud. If you want to proclaim your belief in Jesus, fine, but you've put down so many other people's beliefs on either untruths or assumptions you've made, and you should really be careful with that. Talmud is bullshit and has Nothing to do with Jesus. Just a bunch of pharisees with commentaries. Get that shit out of here. I believe in the Bible and only the Bible. What have I said that conflicts with the Old Testament? |
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Post by Ducky on May 14, 2008 0:42:11 GMT -5
What if "God" rewards my doubt of his existance with heaven and punishes you for not using the brain he gave you and blindly believing in his existance because of a man made book. I'll be sitting pretty in "Heaven", while your ass will be in hell. ha, don't think so. But we'll see, won't we? |
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Post by gotrunks226 on May 14, 2008 0:43:17 GMT -5
Why is it needed to believe in god or the big bang? People seem to think this is 1 or the other. Now I do think the Big Bang has a lot more evidence, religious or scientific, but i do not believe 100% in the big bang theory because it would be hypocritical. I apply the same standards of proof to science as religion. I'm willing to accept that we simply can't know for sure right now, and that doesn't make me have to believe in something with little to no evidence like religion. I choose not to believe some random ass book. You have seen Jesus walking around recently? You know he's still alive? Get out of here. And who the fuck are you to know what religion is right? You must be the smartest man in the world. I'd say it's pretty accurate that there's a 99.9% chance that you are wrong. Just because you may not believe in god, doesn't mean you should be rejected from 'heaven' for it. If there is a god, then he shouldn't accept/reject you because you believed in him or not, but more so of how you lived your life. 3. You do know there's other people's account of what Jesus did and what they saw. I could give you a list of names so you can check em out yourself. It's not like the Bible is the only book that mentions Jesus. Yes he is still alive. Because according to historical facts, he rose from the dead. Plenty of eye-witnesses and even written accounts that are very credible. Research. If you don't want to, I could reference some material for you. Second, he was last seen ascending to heaven. I don't know about you but defeating death and never dying is a pretty big thing. He's in heaven, dumbass. Also, Jesus did give us a chance to all go to heaven. We were created perfect and sinless. But because of the fall of man, we became sinful and all fallen short of the glory of God. If you sin once, you aren't good enough for heaven. In order to make it to heaven, you have to be sinless and perfect like Jesus. Nobody is perfect. Maybe some people do nicer acts and sin less than others, but they are still sinful. So there's no way our actions could get us into heaven. That's why God sent his son to die for us and to take away our sins. He gave us a chance to redeem ourselves. So we can't get to heaven by good works, but through Jesus Christ. I would like this list of names that saw Jesus and saw him ascend to heaven.. |
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Post by w6602876 on May 14, 2008 0:43:53 GMT -5
What if "God" rewards my doubt of his existance with heaven and punishes you for not using the brain he gave you and blindly believing in his existance because of a man made book. I'll be sitting pretty in "Heaven", while your ass will be in hell. What if you take a moderate belief and let people live their own lives without imposing your beliefs on others and I go to Heaven and God punishes someone who just want to make arguments just to start debates by sending them to hell. What was the point of this thread anyway? |
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Post by Ducky on May 14, 2008 0:44:13 GMT -5
3. You do know there's other people's account of what Jesus did and what they saw. I could give you a list of names so you can check em out yourself. It's not like the Bible is the only book that mentions Jesus. Yes he is still alive. Because according to historical facts, he rose from the dead. Plenty of eye-witnesses and even written accounts that are very credible. Research. If you don't want to, I could reference some material for you. Second, he was last seen ascending to heaven. I don't know about you but defeating death and never dying is a pretty big thing. He's in heaven, dumbass. Also, Jesus did give us a chance to all go to heaven. We were created perfect and sinless. But because of the fall of man, we became sinful and all fallen short of the glory of God. If you sin once, you aren't good enough for heaven. In order to make it to heaven, you have to be sinless and perfect like Jesus. Nobody is perfect. Maybe some people do nicer acts and sin less than others, but they are still sinful. So there's no way our actions could get us into heaven. That's why God sent his son to die for us and to take away our sins. He gave us a chance to redeem ourselves. So we can't get to heaven by good works, but through Jesus Christ. I would like this list of names that saw Jesus and saw him ascend to heaven.. Many of his disciples wrote in their accounts that Jesus ascended into heaven. None of the accounts conflict with each other. |
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Post by w6602876 on May 14, 2008 0:46:06 GMT -5
Ducky, I'd advise you to be careful with your words. You've displayed that you are completely ignorant with regards to what you consider the Old Testament and the Talmud. If you want to proclaim your belief in Jesus, fine, but you've put down so many other people's beliefs on either untruths or assumptions you've made, and you should really be careful with that. Talmud is bullshit and has Nothing to do with Jesus. Just a bunch of pharisees with commentaries. Get that shit out of here. I believe in the Bible and only the Bible. What have I said that conflicts with the Old Testament? I thought the talmud was a law book with people debating on specific laws? |
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Post by Ducky on May 14, 2008 0:46:25 GMT -5
I would like this list of names that saw Jesus and saw him ascend to heaven.. Many of his disciples wrote in their accounts that Jesus ascended into heaven. None of the accounts conflict with each other. However, I think Matthew didn't. I think Luke, John, and Paul saw it. |
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Post by w6602876 on May 14, 2008 0:47:11 GMT -5
3. You do know there's other people's account of what Jesus did and what they saw. I could give you a list of names so you can check em out yourself. It's not like the Bible is the only book that mentions Jesus. Yes he is still alive. Because according to historical facts, he rose from the dead. Plenty of eye-witnesses and even written accounts that are very credible. Research. If you don't want to, I could reference some material for you. Second, he was last seen ascending to heaven. I don't know about you but defeating death and never dying is a pretty big thing. He's in heaven, dumbass. Also, Jesus did give us a chance to all go to heaven. We were created perfect and sinless. But because of the fall of man, we became sinful and all fallen short of the glory of God. If you sin once, you aren't good enough for heaven. In order to make it to heaven, you have to be sinless and perfect like Jesus. Nobody is perfect. Maybe some people do nicer acts and sin less than others, but they are still sinful. So there's no way our actions could get us into heaven. That's why God sent his son to die for us and to take away our sins. He gave us a chance to redeem ourselves. So we can't get to heaven by good works, but through Jesus Christ. I would like this list of names that saw Jesus and saw him ascend to heaven.. Should I send you their phone numbers so you can ask them? |
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Post by Ducky on May 14, 2008 0:47:38 GMT -5
I would like this list of names that saw Jesus and saw him ascend to heaven.. Should I send you their phone numbers so you can ask them?  Maybe it's easier to get a hold of them on myspace. |
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Post by Rod Blagojevich on May 14, 2008 0:47:56 GMT -5
Any sort of religious belief is misguided when it tries to spread the book, in my opinion. Spread the morality, but to believe that one's soul is lost if they do not accept a religion? What about those people who are never introduced to said religion? What of those who would be chastised or killed if they renounced their religion?
Felix Adler had the right idea as far as an ethical system that lacked religion. The best part of any religion is the morality you can derive from it, and the good it inspires in people. Yet religion inspires too much hate and too much self-righteousness for me to reflect positively on it most of the time.
Religious belief is the most intensely private matter of faith; to externalize is to betray it. Your relationship with God is nobody else's. That's why I find the modern religious entities misguided at best.
The reason I don't think religion should be shed is that I'm a particularist. Every culture/race/nation/religion or combination thereof has its own qualities, its own language or art or belief and as long as they are just, I accept them. That's why I take objection to the idea that you need to accept one religion to go to heaven. What kind of God would be so egotistical to have the following policy: regardless of the kind of person you are and the things you do, you will not go to heaven if you don't accept me. Shit, probably the same kind of God that acknowledges slavery and denounces homosexuality. Not my kinda God.
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Maybe it's easier to get a hold of them on myspace.