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Post by DB on Oct 23, 2007 1:30:37 GMT -5
They will definitely start him this year I'm sure if things keep going the way they are going, that is not what I have a problem with. I just dont think he is the answer, hopefully we can find out this year, and not next. I agree with you man, they need to add those things to become a good team.
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Post by allstar0608 on Oct 23, 2007 1:36:57 GMT -5
Andre Woodson would be a great pick for the Jets if they trade back (assuming they dont start winning all of a sudden). As good as he has looked, i think he will fall into the teens because he played at UK (even tho he played against top defenses)
I think the best pick for the Jets as of right now would be to switch to a 4-3 and take Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long. I think Dorsey is the next superstar DT and will wreak havoc on many interior lines throughout his career. If the Bengals lose to the stealers this week i hope we go into a downward spiral so we can have a shot at Dorsey.
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Post by allstar0608 on Oct 23, 2007 1:39:43 GMT -5
In round 2, WR Harry Douglas UL would be good fits for the jets.
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Post by duce on Oct 23, 2007 10:32:59 GMT -5
ya, my skull is thick. it's really not my problem that you somehow think the bengals giving up 250 passing yards per game has nothing to do with the secondary. i was just saying what i thought and you're throwing cheap shots because... well because you have nothing. and here's where i be an asshole and say you've wasted 15 years because if you truly think that the bengals secondary wouldn't still get burned if the team had a great pass rusher or two then you're out of your mind. they'd get some turnovers and there would be plenty of incompletes that nobody touches but the bengals would give up the same 225-250 yards through the air that they've had for marvin lewis' entire stay in cincinnati. and why is that? probably because my skull is so thick, or better yet, because their DBs are not good... yeah, maybe that's it.......2 of the 3 CBs are new. pretty different from when marvin was first here. oh and take out the browns game (which will fuck up both teams stats for the season) and then tell me how many yards they give up per game. the big time shootout always fucks a teams stats up the year it happens. it happened 2 years ago as well. the dline blows here, yet the secondary keeps them alive because they are actually good. the rest of the D isnt. it takes 3 parts to stop the pass, the line, the LBs and the secondary. the secondary is the only part that is good. if the Dline sucks, then the QB will have forever to throw, defeating a good secondary. if the LBs suck then anything over the middle or underneath will be cake, defeating the secondary. The Bengals get KILLED by underneath passes because the Dline gets no pressure and none of hte LBs playing right now are supposed to be starters. You just don't get it. Just because it takes a whole defense to stop an aspect of the game doesn't mean the secondary isn't responsible. I mean for goodness sake, only a few teams in the NFL have given up more 20+ yard pass plays than the Bengals. And you're dishin me this "underneath argument". Give it up already. If you don't think the secondary is mostly to blame for that then you're completely out of your mind. And as for taking one game away, that's retarded. This is professional sports. It happened and it counts. |
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Post by duce on Oct 23, 2007 10:43:02 GMT -5
I feel like you seriously think it's about pass rush and only pass rush. I don't understand that. Obviously it's the most important part of a defense but to make it seem as if the DBs don't even matter is ridiculous.
Having great CBs allows you to do so many things that actually allow a team to mix up the KIND of pass rush that the defense brings. Unpredictability is such a huge deal in that area. It also obviously allow you to use less deep coverage.
Cincinnati can't do that shit. Their CBs aren't good. That is one huge factor in why the Bengals pass rush blows. They can't "bring it" without getting burned for big gains(because the oline and QB know what to look for in the rush). The front 7 is partially at fault but it is definitely not like they're screwing the CBs. The whole defense has issues and it includes the defensive backs.
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Post by allstar0608 on Oct 23, 2007 14:14:28 GMT -5
the bengals CBs are good. thats the most asinine comment ever. and the 20+ yard gains if u watch the bengals are from underneath routes where our LB misses the tackle and hten the guy runs forever cuz the LB didnt do his job.
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Post by Bluedevil$ on Oct 23, 2007 15:17:18 GMT -5
WR is definitely a need as is RB. The NFL is a 3 WR league now. Thomas Jones was traded because he is getting older. He would be very good in a 2 back system. You guys need to look for a late first day or early 2nd day RB that can split time with Jones next year. The OL is 1 or 2 lineman away from being a very strong unit. Coles and Cotchery are good, but you need a 3rd to MAKE teams have to play single coverage on 1 or 2 of them. If you get Coles single coverage deep, it should be a TD (unless pennington is throwing). Clemens has the tools to be good enough. He isnt a franchise QB or anything, but he is good enough to win with. You guys wasted a 2nd round pick on him right? You better give him a chance and quick. If he comes in this year and completely duds then maybe they should look at one of the QBs in this draft. There are some good talents this year imo. I think we need to take a look at Stuckey before we draft a 3rd RB. RB? Are you kidding me? Leon and TJ is a very formidable duo. The problem is that we don't have a great run-blocking O-line (we could use an upgrade at RT and both G's). Clemens is pretty damn good. He can make every throw a QB needs to make. No way we're taking a QB this year |
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Post by Bluedevil$ on Oct 23, 2007 15:19:17 GMT -5
Andre Woodson would be a great pick for the Jets if they trade back (assuming they dont start winning all of a sudden). As good as he has looked, i think he will fall into the teens because he played at UK (even tho he played against top defenses) I think the best pick for the Jets as of right now would be to switch to a 4-3 and take Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long. I think Dorsey is the next superstar DT and will wreak havoc on many interior lines throughout his career. If the Bengals lose to the stealers this week i hope we go into a downward spiral so we can have a shot at Dorsey. Woodson will fall because not that many teams need QB's, not because were he played. Cutler was almost top 10 and he went to Vanderbilt, it just happened that Denver was looking for a QB and traded up. The coaching staff is too stubborn to switch to the 4-3. Long would be a great fit as a 3-4 end, and he was experience in the scheme. |
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Post by Ducky on Oct 23, 2007 16:36:26 GMT -5
I've watched Clemens play in about 20-25 college games, and what I can tell you, is he is smart. I don't think he's ever made a mistake that ruined a game. And with him as QB, it was always a close game. The only time we got killed, is when we played USC. So he won't be a bust, that I can tell you for sure. So I think he'll be able to find a starting job here and there even 5 years from now. But I don't know how good he'll be. That's why I want to see him playing now, so we can get a feel for what he's like.
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Post by jayborne on Oct 23, 2007 21:18:43 GMT -5
Oregon QB's are shit pros. That's not even hate. I had to sit through 3 years of Joey Harrington. My god...
Kellen Clemens isn't the answer to anyone's problem. He'll be okay, but unless he has the Patroits' roster, the Bills won't win with him.
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Post by Ducky on Oct 23, 2007 21:39:59 GMT -5
Oregon QB's are shit pros. That's not even hate. I had to sit through 3 years of Joey Harrington. My god... Kellen Clemens isn't the answer to anyone's problem. He'll be okay, but unless he has the Patroits' roster, the Bills won't win with him. Well Akili Smith and Joey Harrington are realy the only pros we've had the last 20 years... Akili was just awful. Joey has had some bad luck with shitty teams, but he hasn't done shit. He needs to step it up, but I think it's too late. Not sure if he ever starts again. AJ Feeley has been a pretty good backup. Went 3-1 for the Eagles in 04(maybe 05), when both McNabb and his backup went down. Also helped the dolphins beat a 13-2 Patroits team in 05 in the last game. But yeah Agreed. Clemens like I said could be good though. |
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Post by duce on Oct 23, 2007 22:02:29 GMT -5
Feeley is a G.
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Post by DB on Oct 23, 2007 22:05:57 GMT -5
Joey is a bitch hopefully clemens is a play maker.
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Post by Ducky on Oct 23, 2007 22:11:05 GMT -5
 You know what's funny, is he may be the best of the Oregon QBs in the last 20 years. He has been pretty successful when he starts. He didn't do great in Miami, but they went like 6-10. LOL, I just looked up his record as a starter: 12-9. How crazy is that?  And he's definitely got it good: 
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Post by Ducky on Oct 23, 2007 22:13:02 GMT -5
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